"We are around the edges trimming and manicuring and trying to rethink and modernize these programs, but there is not a single one of the big programs we're touching in a profound way, " he said in the interview, which took place Thursday morning before the House's vote to restructure Medicare, a mammoth undertaking that he has previously described as the keystone to the Republicans'plan to balance the budget and hence the centerpiece of the party's credibility.
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